Robert Embley / NOAA/Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
1 & 2. Discipline & Field of Study: Marine Geology and Geophysics - Submarine volcanology, seafloor neotectonics, submarine geomorphology
3. Geographic Area of Interest: N.E. Pacific, Western Pacific, Equatorial Pacific, South Pacific, Australia - Intermediate and fast spreading mid-ocean ridges and intraoceanic submarine volcanic arcs
4. Accommodations - high
Minimum berths: 38
Maximum berths: <30
The whole isssue of berthing requirements might change in the future with the advent of global broadband access, i.e., more opportunity to take part in cruises in virtual mode. Also, the berthing numbers for these vessels are often not realistic, i.e., several of the berths are almost never used because of conflicts with marine tech berthing, etc.
5. Range - medium
10061 to 13,000 nautical miles
6. Speed - medium
Maximum sustained transit speed: ten_to_twelve knots
Station/Survey speed: None Selected knots
I think this question needs to be rephrased, i.e., often one wants to collect multibeam or other speed dependent data on transit. Maybe have 2 categories, maximum sustained (just want to make time without using excessive fuel) and minimum, e.g., DP controlled speed
7. Seakeeping - high
What is the maximum Sea State through which you would normally expect to carry out the following representative operations:
CTD operations 90% of the time: Six
Mooring deployments 75% of the time: Six
Coring operations 50% of the time: Five
ROV or other sensitive deployment operations 50% of the time: Five
8. Station Keeping Characteristics - high
Using DP, how closely would you need a Global Class vessel to hold station in the Sea State you specified for ROV operations above: five meters
9. Deck Working Area - high
What is the total open working deck area that you would need on the aft working deck?
4000 square feet
Primarily for fly-away ROV setup and mooring arrays
10. Laboratory - high
Choose lab space type and size you consider appropriate for a Global Class R/V:
Lab Type Size range Required? in a van? Main (dry) lab 1700 Required Wet lab 230 Required Hydro lab (separate) 700 Required Computer lab 600 Required Analytical/Biochemical 300 Required Climate control chamber 63 Required Walk in Freezer 63 Required Darkroom none Not Required Staging bay/ Hanger 350 Required Science Office 65 Required Will need more robust -80 C freezer capability, either built in or multiple units to provide backup.
11. Science Storage Requirements - high
15000 cubic feet
12. Winch and Wire Requirements - high
Winch Type Usage CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly 2nd EM Cable/CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Small diameter FO Cable winch Never Used Trawl/coring winch (large wire rope) Needed On Occasional Cruises Large diameter EM Cable winch Needed On Occasional Cruises Large diameter FO Cable winch Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly
13. Towing Requirements - medium
Towing sidescans primarily
14. Crane Requirements - high
15. Over-the-side Handling Requirements - high
16. Acoustic System Requirements - high
System Frequency(s) Type, model, etc. Acoustic Doppler Velocity Profiler (ADCP) Multi-Beam Swath Mapping 12 kHz; plus mid/shallow Precision Depth Sounder standard Sub-bottom profiler Chirp Acoustic Navigation System USBL or SBL Optimal would be a full-ocean depth high resolution multibeam with a 1 deg x 1 deg minimum resolution and a mid/shallow water multibeam with state of the art resolution.
17. Navigation - high
Integrated GPS with an USBL and/or a SBL system (latter uses the ship as a baseline for deeper water work. Might mean high precision GPS at several points on vessel combined with hull-mounted acoustic arrays.
18. Shipboard Communication Needs - high
State of the art network for computers. Wireless comms throughout ship if possible
19. External Communication - high
A broadband stabilized antenna for sending high definition video etc.
20. Van Requirements - medium
Maximum number of vans you would need? na
Do you think vans should be used for additional berthing? no
List the type of vans you might need?
I dont use vans so can't really commment on this.
21. Other science requirements -
Should be some sort of capacity for handling (deploying/recovering/servicing) fleets of AUVs and other ocean sensors for global observing program and specialized programs.
22. Additional Comments:
1 & 2. Discipline & Field of Study: Physical Oceanography - dynamics of large scale currents, mesoscale eddies, and finer scales
3. Geographic Area of Interest: North Atlantic, North Atlantic High Latitude, Caribbean & Gulf, South Atlantic, N.E. Pacific, Western Pacific, Indian Ocean - strong variable current systems
4. Accommodations -
Minimum berths: 30
Maximum berths: 37
5. Range -
10796 to 13,000 nautical miles
6. Speed -
Maximum sustained transit speed: twelve_to_fourteen knots
Station/Survey speed: six knots
7. Seakeeping -
What is the maximum Sea State through which you would normally expect to carry out the following representative operations:
CTD operations 90% of the time: Six
Mooring deployments 75% of the time: four
Coring operations 50% of the time: None Selected
ROV or other sensitive deployment operations 50% of the time: None Selected
8. Station Keeping Characteristics -
Using DP, how closely would you need a Global Class vessel to hold station in the Sea State you specified for ROV operations above: five meters
9. Deck Working Area -
What is the total open working deck area that you would need on the aft working deck?
4000 square feet
10. Laboratory -
Choose lab space type and size you consider appropriate for a Global Class R/V:
Lab Type Size range Required? in a van? Main (dry) lab 1500 Required Wet lab 230 Required Hydro lab (separate) 700 Required Computer lab None Selected Analytical/Biochemical None Selected Climate control chamber None Selected Walk in Freezer None Selected Darkroom None Selected Staging bay/ Hanger 350 Required Science Office None Selected
11. Science Storage Requirements -
10000 cubic feet
12. Winch and Wire Requirements -
Winch Type Usage CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly 2nd EM Cable/CTD winch Needed On Occasional Cruises Small diameter FO Cable winch Trawl/coring winch (large wire rope) Large diameter EM Cable winch Large diameter FO Cable winch
13. Towing Requirements -
14. Crane Requirements -
15. Over-the-side Handling Requirements -
16. Acoustic System Requirements -
System Frequency(s) Type, model, etc. Acoustic Doppler Velocity Profiler (ADCP) Multi-Beam Swath Mapping Precision Depth Sounder
17. Navigation - high
state-of-the-art
18. Shipboard Communication Needs -
19. External Communication -
20. Van Requirements -
Maximum number of vans you would need? 2
Do you think vans should be used for additional berthing? no
List the type of vans you might need? Storage Van
21. Other science requirements -
22. Additional Comments:
1 & 2. Discipline & Field of Study: Marine Geology and Geophysics - Sea Floor Sampling
3. Geographic Area of Interest: North Atlantic, South Atlantic, Arctic, Antarctic - Globally
4. Accommodations - high
Minimum berths: 35
Maximum berths: 35
5. Range - high
12000 to 10,796 nautical miles
6. Speed - medium
Maximum sustained transit speed: ten_to_twelve knots
Station/Survey speed: three knots
7. Seakeeping - high
What is the maximum Sea State through which you would normally expect to carry out the following representative operations:
CTD operations 90% of the time: None Selected
Mooring deployments 75% of the time: None Selected
Coring operations 50% of the time: four
ROV or other sensitive deployment operations 50% of the time: four
8. Station Keeping Characteristics - high
Using DP, how closely would you need a Global Class vessel to hold station in the Sea State you specified for ROV operations above: five meters
9. Deck Working Area - high
What is the total open working deck area that you would need on the aft working deck?
4000 square feet
10. Laboratory - medium
Choose lab space type and size you consider appropriate for a Global Class R/V:
Lab Type Size range Required? in a van? Main (dry) lab 1500 Required Wet lab 700 Required Hydro lab (separate) 500 Required Computer lab 500 Required Analytical/Biochemical None Selected Not Required Climate control chamber None Selected Not Required Walk in Freezer None Selected Not Required Darkroom None Selected Not Required Staging bay/ Hanger 500 Required Science Office 100 Optional/Desired
11. Science Storage Requirements - high
15000 cubic feet
clod storage vans , major main hold areas
12. Winch and Wire Requirements - high
Winch Type Usage CTD winch Needed On Occasional Cruises 2nd EM Cable/CTD winch Never Used Small diameter FO Cable winch Never Used Trawl/coring winch (large wire rope) Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly Large diameter EM Cable winch Never Used Large diameter FO Cable winch Never Used we have a new synthetic rope winch [working load = 55 tons] under construction which will be equipped with 7000 meters of 2" high modulus synthetic rope.
13. Towing Requirements - low
14. Crane Requirements - high
multiple cranes that can reach each others work circles
15. Over-the-side Handling Requirements - high
have created purpose built system dedicated to handling 50 meter coring system
16. Acoustic System Requirements - high
System Frequency(s) Type, model, etc. Multi-Beam Swath Mapping Precision Depth Sounder Sub-bottom profiler
17. Navigation - high
18. Shipboard Communication Needs - medium
19. External Communication - high
will need to connect with vendors real time for systems troubleshooting
20. Van Requirements - high
Maximum number of vans you would need? 4
Do you think vans should be used for additional berthing? no
List the type of vans you might need? Cold Van, Lab Van - general, Equipment/Workshop van
we bring our own
21. Other science requirements -
22. Additional Comments:
1 & 2. Discipline & Field of Study: Ship Operations and Management - Ship Operations
3. Geographic Area of Interest: As an operator, we go where the science takes us.
4. Accommodations - high
Minimum berths: 37
Maximum berths: 37
This would be based on crew members having individual staterooms with science rooms being doubles.
5. Range - high
17280 to 17,280 nautical miles
6. Speed - medium
Maximum sustained transit speed: ten_to_twelve knots
Station/Survey speed: three knots
A sampling speed of 0 to 3 kts may be more desirable.
7. Seakeeping - high
What is the maximum Sea State through which you would normally expect to carry out the following representative operations:
CTD operations 90% of the time: Seven
Mooring deployments 75% of the time: Six
Coring operations 50% of the time: Six
ROV or other sensitive deployment operations 50% of the time: Five
CTD requirement may appear to be excessive, but truth be told our Global and Intermedaite vessels are currently executing CTD casts in 20 to 30 ft seas.
8. Station Keeping Characteristics - high
Using DP, how closely would you need a Global Class vessel to hold station in the Sea State you specified for ROV operations above: one meter
In reality it would appear that a 3 meter requirement would be more appropriate.
9. Deck Working Area - high
What is the total open working deck area that you would need on the aft working deck?
4000 square feet
10. Laboratory - high
Choose lab space type and size you consider appropriate for a Global Class R/V:
Lab Type Size range Required? in a van? Main (dry) lab 1700 Required Wet lab 230 Required Hydro lab (separate) 700 Required Computer lab 600 Required Analytical/Biochemical 300 Required Climate control chamber 100 Required yes Walk in Freezer 100 Required yes Darkroom 76 Optional/Desired Staging bay/ Hanger 500 Required Science Office 65 Required
11. Science Storage Requirements - high
15000 cubic feet
12. Winch and Wire Requirements - high
Winch Type Usage CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly 2nd EM Cable/CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Small diameter FO Cable winch Needed On Occasional Cruises Trawl/coring winch (large wire rope) Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Large diameter EM Cable winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Large diameter FO Cable winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically
13. Towing Requirements - high
Similar to Oceans class with perhaps just a bit more capability commensurate with size of ship.
14. Crane Requirements - high
I believe we will need to create a requirement that exceeds the Oceans Class to match the needs of science in a new global class of vessel. Not sure by how much, but it will need to exceed 20,000 lbs at a 20ft reach. I also believe we will need to exceed the sea state 4 criteria and get to at least a sea state 5 level. A second crane will be needed and it will likely need to exceed the 10,000 lb at 12 ft reach of the Oceans class. The deck level knuckle boom type cranes will also be needed as required by the Oceans class and I think 2 will be required.
15. Over-the-side Handling Requirements - high
Similar to Oceans Class, but likely even more capable.
16. Acoustic System Requirements - high
System Frequency(s) Type, model, etc. Acoustic Doppler Velocity Profiler (ADCP) Multi-Beam Swath Mapping Precision Depth Sounder Sub-bottom profiler Acoustic Navigation System I think all these will be needed, but defer to science on the frequencies and types.
17. Navigation - high
An array of different GPS/WAAS units (at least 4) will be needed and at least one of an accuracy that will require annual subscriptions (cost in the 10s of thousands of dollars each year as installed on Knorr and Atlantis) to use. Current DP systems use 3 GPS inputs.
18. Shipboard Communication Needs - high
Defer to science and SSSG Techs.
19. External Communication - high
Continuous internet at a bandwidth to be defined by science is a must.
20. Van Requirements - medium
Maximum number of vans you would need? 6
Do you think vans should be used for additional berthing? no
List the type of vans you might need? Cold Van, Storage Van, Lab Van - general, Isotope Van, Equipment/Workshop van, Other (describe below)
Chemical van is a must on the globals.
21. Other science requirements -
22. Additional Comments:
Bruce Howe / University of Washington
1 & 2. Discipline & Field of Study: Physical Oceanography - Acoustical oceanography, ocean acoustics, ocean acoustic tomography, sensor networks in ocean observatories (mooring systems and mobile platforms, eg gliders)
3. Geographic Area of Interest: N.E. Pacific, Hawaii Is. Chain, South Pacific - Typically in the northeast Pacific, but have worked in Greenland Sea, Sargasso Sea, Indian Ocean, Philippine Sea. Intend to participate in the Global and Regional portions of ORION.
4. Accommodations - medium
Minimum berths: 38
Maximum berths: 45
I see these ships being used for long term/range combined science and ORION maintenance cruises. so likely ROV crews, observatory techs, and science.
5. Range -
15000 to none selected nautical miles
should be derived from specific use case scenarios higher speeds will help lower science salary costs (usually hidden or ignored since usually from a different accounting pot)
6. Speed -
Maximum sustained transit speed: twelve_to_fourteen knots
Station/Survey speed: None Selected knots
In my work, on station means zero speed, or very slow towing a mooring.
7. Seakeeping - high
What is the maximum Sea State through which you would normally expect to carry out the following representative operations:
CTD operations 90% of the time: Six
Mooring deployments 75% of the time: Five
Coring operations 50% of the time: None Selected
ROV or other sensitive deployment operations 50% of the time: Five
no experience with coring need to get rigorous quantification here from science scenarios
8. Station Keeping Characteristics - high
Using DP, how closely would you need a Global Class vessel to hold station in the Sea State you specified for ROV operations above: five meters
I used the Melville recently (low frequency acoustics) and could maintain +/-10 m peak-peak. would like better (even 1 m - can now get nav accuracy from C-Nav and others) both for acoustics (fractions of a wavelength - 20 m for 75 Hz) and for setting seafloor observatory components.
9. Deck Working Area - high
What is the total open working deck area that you would need on the aft working deck?
4500 square feet
Again, need specific scenarios (ROV(s), moorings, together)
10. Laboratory - medium
Choose lab space type and size you consider appropriate for a Global Class R/V:
Lab Type Size range Required? in a van? Main (dry) lab 2000 Required Wet lab 400 Optional/Desired Hydro lab (separate) 700 Optional/Desired Computer lab 700 Required Analytical/Biochemical 300 Required Climate control chamber 100 Optional/Desired yes Walk in Freezer 100 yes Darkroom 100 yes Staging bay/ Hanger 750 Required Science Office 100 Optional/Desired Dark rooms - still used?
11. Science Storage Requirements - medium
20000 cubic feet
thinking of multiple moorings and ROV
12. Winch and Wire Requirements -
Winch Type Usage CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly 2nd EM Cable/CTD winch Need Every Cruise/Used Regularly Small diameter FO Cable winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Trawl/coring winch (large wire rope) Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Large diameter EM Cable winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Large diameter FO Cable winch Need Every Cruise/Used Periodically Do these FO cables have power too - I assume so. if so, these might supplement the EM.
13. Towing Requirements - low
I can conceive of experiments towing sound sources/receivers, with seismic streamers a "worst" case. But this is low probability.
14. Crane Requirements - high
Need to move mooring componets around on deck, as well for deployment/recovery.
15. Over-the-side Handling Requirements - high
Heave compensation is essential for heavy mooring and rov deployments, and close to bottom work.
16. Acoustic System Requirements -
System Frequency(s) Type, model, etc. Acoustic Doppler Velocity Profiler (ADCP) Multi-Beam Swath Mapping Precision Depth Sounder Sub-bottom profiler Acoustic Navigation System 10kHz frequencies appropriate for full ocean depth integrate acoustics for comms and nav
17. Navigation - high
Need/want decimeter accuracy in real time, e.g, C-Nav is well worth the cost.
18. Shipboard Communication Needs - medium
Normal internet/LAN and voice
19. External Communication - high
Need routine email, and work towards video conferencing and VoIP.
20. Van Requirements -
Maximum number of vans you would need? 4
Do you think vans should be used for additional berthing? no
List the type of vans you might need? Storage Van, Lab Van - general, Equipment/Workshop van
21. Other science requirements -
22. Additional Comments: